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@giteshpandya FRI BO: #Help $3.63M, #Apollo18 $2.84M, #SharkNight $2.8M, Debt $2.61M, Colombiana $2M, Apes $1.85M. grammar Sep 03, 09:01

THELP isn't that impressive. Its holds are good but in a different time of year, it wouldn't have a shot at number 1 HarryWarden Sep 03, 09:11

in a different time of year, it would perform up to the norms of the season. had they released on christmas it would be doing 8 a day islander Sep 03, 09:39

It couldn't compete with most films released during the heart of summer. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 09:45

funny - it just did. and since when is a multiplier of over 4 - 4.5 (depending on how you calculate) not impressive? click999 Sep 03, 09:54

Oh poor you. Can't handle people that don't agree with you. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 09:57

And August is hardly the heart of summer. More like the end. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 09:58

yeah - wah me. click999 Sep 03, 10:08

Why can't you handle negativity? Have you watched the news lately? There's more of that than positivity, to be sure. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:10

oh ok. click999 Sep 03, 10:20

Oh poor you. You can't see that THELP has been impressive and thoroughly whupped your beloved horror movies. {nm} Paul2k Sep 03, 10:01

Stick to chick flicks then. Leave the fun movies R-rated movies for those that can enjoy them. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:03

Hooray for ad hominem attacks! I bow to you and your wisdom. {nm} Paul2k Sep 03, 10:09

Well, you're the one defending a middlebrow all ages film when the best films are the ones that push boundaries of what's acceptable {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:11

After all, what's the point of seeing something that could play on Network TV with no cuts? Might as well wait for TV then and save your $ {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:15

I'm defending the fact that THELP has performed admirably, something which you seem to have difficulty accepting or acknowledging. Paul2k Sep 03, 10:15

All its success is going to lead to is more middlebrow, generic, all ages "entertainment" instead of stuff that's more "fringe" HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:20

I have no problem with your opinion and feelings on the movie. Heck, if I were to watch it, I might feel the same way. Paul2k Sep 03, 10:24

Believe it or not, movies are made by people intending to make a living i.e. a profit. By the very forlorne Sep 03, 10:24

If anything, fringe movies are more likely to make a profit because they're a lot cheaper than mainstream films. HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:29

Are you thinking this through? Give me facts that support "If anything, fringe movies are more likely to make a profit because they're a lot forlorne Sep 03, 10:41

Most of the films on this list of the 10 most profitable movies of all time are "fringe" HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:50

And this one HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:52

And their names are..............? {nm} forlorne Sep 03, 10:52

The Blair Witch Project, Saw 1-7, Halloween, Paranormal Activity 1-2, Night of the Living Dead, El Mariachi, just to name a few {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 10:55

1)Most profitable by precentage does not = most profitable. 2)Even on your list, some of those could hardly be considered fringe 3) your forlorne Sep 03, 11:00

More than half your list is definitely fringe. Horror films are always fringe. They define fringe entertainment. HarryWarden Sep 03, 11:03

Ah, I would never have guessed that Poltergeist, Sixth Sense, Amityville horror, Jaws, Mummy Returns, Alien, and Interview With the Vampire forlorne Sep 03, 11:12

The Mummy Returns isn't a horror movie. It's an action movie. Alien isn't horror either. It's pretty obvious what that is instead. HarryWarden Sep 03, 11:21

and as far as" the heart of summer", August 6th was exactly the middle of summer. THELP was released on the 10th. As forlorne Sep 03, 10:32

August 10 is nearing the end of the summer movie season, the actual seasonal data withstanding. Labor Day = end of summer movie season. {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 11:05

Forlorne, I don't get your "by definition" argument. It should be obvious that a movie like The Help is inferior to great art. It's made Facto Sep 03, 11:01

Sure. I am saying that movies are entertainment. You seem to be claiming there is some objective definition of great art. forlorne Sep 03, 11:23

I see HarryWarden's point.. At the Norwegian Film Festival, audiences and juries went overboard for The Help. It won several prizes. I tried Facto Sep 03, 10:53

It's an interesting social phenomenon, seeking to be emotionally moved (or manipulated) by a movie. But isn't that what much of art does? Paul2k Sep 03, 10:59

In reply to Paul2k: As a commercial product, The Help definitely works - it provides emotional catharsis. Almost all of the audience cried. Facto Sep 03, 11:12

"slick and cunning"=those that make movies that don't appeal to you. "cutting edge & creative"=movies that do forlorne Sep 03, 11:06

Why is it "appaling" that some people want to be emotionally moved by their entertainment? {nm} forlorne Sep 03, 11:07

Incidentally, more than half of 20= 11 or more. 11 or more of that list, even by your new definition, are not fringe. {nm} forlorne Sep 03, 11:17

Alctually you stated "fringe movies" were far more likely to make a profit than mainstream, so what forlorne Sep 03, 11:29

Seems you're missing my point, forlorne, re: apppalling. I am making a distinction between entertainment and art. One which you seem to not Facto Sep 03, 12:31

Facto {nm} forlorne Sep 03, 13:42

whoops..Facto: I do NOT distinguish between entertainment and art, unless you mean something like the forlorne Sep 03, 13:46

forlorne: Institutions decide, basically, what is art and what is commercial (entertainment). It's possible to make distinctions, by employ- Facto Sep 03, 14:05

Facto: so you are saying professors and students of art determine what is art and what is entertainment? forlorne Sep 03, 16:07

Forlorne: "that which the commoner can not distinguish as worthy". Yes, to a degree, that would be right. A commoner is someone who is not Facto Sep 03, 17:33

No TV in your house???!?! {nm} HarryWarden Sep 03, 14:35

Harry: We have a TV, but it serves only as a monitor for DVDs or video games, no broadcast TV, cable, satellite etc. forlorne Sep 03, 15:59

Re: Facto tribefan695 Sep 03, 13:49

There might be a good argument here, but not when the comparison is against films of a genre that is decidedly not high art {nm} tribefan695 Sep 03, 14:06

And there will always be fringe horror movies just like there will always be middlebrow crowdpleasers. {nm} tribefan695 Sep 03, 14:12

tribefan695: It's HarryWarden who talks about horror movies - not I. The decision that something is art, is often made already in the choice Facto Sep 03, 14:16

Fine, but I still don't see what makes The Help so "detrimental". {nm} tribefan695 Sep 03, 15:04

One could write long articles about what makes it detrimental to society. I believe I tried to explain briefly. If not, I'll make another, Facto Sep 03, 16:58

Facto: movies are NOT real life. None of them. Even if they were, they would only be of the real life of forlorne Sep 03, 18:06

Forget it, forlorne, you are not debating me, but rather debating some figment of your imagination. I have presented my points, and it's Facto Sep 03, 18:44

btw, forlorne, please do not think that I include you in that definition of "commoners" (the term you introduced to our conversation). I Facto Sep 03, 19:32

Actually , u have answered your own question,u can't compare it to movies opening in summer, who knows,it may do even better in summer {nm} karspov Sep 03, 10:12

Sure, or I mean, could be, but it would've never beaten Pirates, or Thor, or TF3, or any other huge blockbuster. {nm} Facto Sep 03, 17:55

I would like someone to explain the rationale that totally ignores older intellegent adults from the multiplex for 3 months? mrbinns Sep 03, 10:46

"Harry Warden" {nm} forlorne Sep 03, 10:51

You have a good point. I took my girlfriend to see WELPH, and after that, there really wasn't anything, before MIDNP. Well, we went to TF3 - Facto Sep 03, 12:48

This is truly absurd. {nm} Libs Sep 03, 12:05

ditto. {nm} JMT-NL Sep 03, 12:11

What is absurd? {nm} Facto Sep 03, 12:53

Calling The Help's performance "not that impressive." {nm} Libs Sep 03, 17:13

That's meaningless, if taken out of context. HW says it's performance is good, That about covers it. It can also be called impressive, but Facto Sep 03, 17:36

What does whether it's #1 or not have to do with whether the movie is a success? Libs Sep 03, 18:31

I haven't said that I don't grasp that. What I am basically saying is that everything is relative. Are you new to these forums?? :-) Facto Sep 03, 19:08

"the exchange's" (meaning HSX) and "some movie is priced at 330" (correcting spelling mistakes in the third to last paragrpah) {nm} Facto Sep 03, 19:16

D'oh... *paragraph* !! ;-p {nm} Facto Sep 03, 19:17

Facto: Re your debate with forlorne: accountant_4_Jesus Sep 04, 05:38

Well.. First of all, an intellectual does not have to be an academic. They can be self-trained. Just an aware individual. Secondly, I see Facto Sep 04, 06:18

(apologies for spelling mistakes etc - multi-tasking here, and PC has some issues, so I just publish before there's a surprise shut down and Facto Sep 04, 06:25

Don't worry about the typos etc. I'm not picky, and I could still understand you. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Sep 04, 07:06

I see what you're trying to say, but that again assumes that the collective opinion of art is taken to be an absolute, which it isn't. accountant_4_Jesus Sep 04, 06:43

No academic discipline deals (only) in absolutes - most are dynamic, ever changing (to a degree). I also don't believe I said that I prefer Facto Sep 04, 07:46