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Hey Paul, what a well thought out response. Yes, you read my response wrong if you detected condescension or defensive posturing. More . . .

Posted by: eallensbp on Sep 09, 22:56 in response to Paul2k's post Thanks for articulating your thoughts and analysis....

With the exception of BUTLR, few films have had 2nd weekends gross more in three days than the first. I have tried to find examples of films which have had increases in 2nd weekends over the first. I respect the time of my fellow HSXers; therefore I place limits on how much information I place in a comment or a reply, hence only two articles containing just nine comments. I had hoped that would be enough, but in hindsight I suppose I should have been more robust in establishing my case.

 

For Pantelion, when you previously have not had a film gross even $10M, even a movie with major stars in it like Will Ferrell and Gael Garcia Verbal, or Girl in Progress which didn't even get to, like, $5M--to go from that to a film with NO MAJOR STARS and in a foreign language, subtitled, doing $20M in N. America in two weekends of the slowest moviegoing period, traditionally, of the year--that's unheard of, still. ININC is still pulling in $10,000 per screen as we speak. I should do a lobogotti by putting a chart up detailing how, even with very modest expectations such as week-to-week drops of 50% ININC should STILL be able to get to $35M by week 4, but lobogotti works hard at breakdowns while I try to get away with explaining mine in one paragraph, put a period at the end of it, and hope that it'll be enough. I'm working on other stuff at the moment, but I respect the fact that you're very cautious about going along with a $40M week 4 predict. I wonder how you feel about my OW predict of $29+ for NSID2? Even as BO.com feels it will pass $40M OW? And I'm not being snarky in the least, I REALLY WANT to know.

 

 

If ININC never makes another dime (which, I think we can both agree, it stands to make many more dimes), it's a remarkable success story for Spanish/Hispanic film--and for independent film in general, that a film this offbeat even for its target demo can find success on this level. It boggles my own mind.

** This post has been removed by the forum moderator! ** badvladdy Sep 09, 18:07

Old news. If you read the entire article, it indicates that this was from when Scorcese was doing rounds for Hugo a few years ago. {nm} Paul2k Sep 09, 18:11

Paul2k, here is the link to an update of our conversation on ININC in this IM. Hoping you find the response adequate. eallensbp Sep 09, 20:50

Thanks for articulating your thoughts and analysis. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced by your arguments. Probably because I have my head up Paul2k Sep 09, 22:06

THERADISH: Don't forget 'Jackass 5: High IQ' for PHD's, Scientists & NASA Employees. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Sep 09, 22:31

Hey Paul, what a well thought out response. Yes, you read my response wrong if you detected condescension or defensive posturing. More . . . eallensbp Sep 09, 22:56

Pantelion is a division of Lionsgate {nm} Moviesnob Sep 09, 23:12

BOM has a series of tables showing second weekend increases (i.e. smallest drops) for films opening with more than 600 screens. second gary Sep 10, 04:12

Good point second gary, but I got confused when you said Shrek was at #172. Granted, I clicked on Super Saturated and saw Shrek at #11. eallensbp Sep 10, 07:20

You're right, Snob. I don't know this for a fact, but Pantelion is to Lionsgate what Codeblack is to same company, I believe. {nm} eallensbp Sep 10, 07:03

Examples of movies that had second (or later) weekends greater than than the 1st (or previous) from last year include: {nm} Paul2k Sep 10, 08:30

Whoops. Cont'd inside- Paul2k Sep 10, 08:38

Here's some data to bolster the fact that ININC isn't your typical platform success. Just pulling a few titles from this year Paul2k Sep 10, 12:13

Thanks Paul2k. That's what I was trying to establish, and of those examples you outlined ININC will outgross all of them this week. Crazy! {nm} eallensbp Sep 10, 22:55





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