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thats simply not true. racism exists outside the US. Especially in the film industry. {nm}
white people will always take soothing jingoism over the uncomfortable history of America's racism, it's true {nm} Jan 11, 12:21
This a ridiculous and offensive generalization. {nm} Jan 11, 12:57
i look forward to being proved wrong by white moviegoers Jan 11, 13:04
Neither TAKE3 or SELMA were remotely appealing enough to get me into a theater. This does not make me a racist. {nm} Jan 11, 13:09
you have LOTS of black friends! {nm} Jan 11, 13:13
Empty logic followed by personal attack. Have a nice day. {nm} Jan 11, 13:16
you get upset at that but don't get upset at Stereotypical blacks like Kevin hart or Tyler perry. right. {nm} Jan 11, 13:39
i'm not upset, just giving my theory on why Selma would underperform compared to other non-controversial Oscar movies {nm} Jan 11, 13:48
Like 12 years a slave? How well did The Help do again? {nm} Jan 11, 15:27
Who cares about color at 11 million OW? Oh wait, you do. That makes YOU the racist here. {nm} Jan 11, 14:32
Why does caring about colour make someone racist? {nm} Jan 11, 14:39
Um...wha? {nm} Jan 11, 14:44
"Who cares about color at 11 million OW? Oh wait, you do. That makes YOU the racist here" {nm} Jan 11, 14:45
thats simply not true. racism exists outside the US. Especially in the film industry. Jan 11, 15:09
i'm not. I'm saying that ignoring one's (or a group) skin color is robbing them of their identity. Jan 11, 15:16
As much as you like to idealize, racism is not over. "black lives matter". {nm} Jan 11, 15:11
No, you said caring about color makes you racist. {nm} Jan 11, 15:15
OBVIOUSLY not what was meant, in context of the statement as a whole. Please! {nm} Jan 11, 15:21
All these post by charlie are impyling racism and should be scrubbed out. They are offensive. {nm} Jan 11, 14:42
whitewashed, as it were {nm} Jan 11, 14:43
and yet another example. Please remove all racist post before someone gets offended. {nm} Jan 11, 14:45
Faux outrage. Discussion of race is not racist. {nm} Jan 11, 14:46
This is not a discussion but an attack on people not choosing to watch a horrible movie by calling the world racist {nm} Jan 11, 14:48
"horrible movie"? so you've seen it yourself? {nm} Jan 11, 14:49
Oh ok. How was the Hispanic turnout at SELMA? Was it higher than the Gay and Lesbian turnout? {nm} Jan 11, 14:50
If this is a discussion about racism then please support your claim with facts. {nm} Jan 11, 14:51
thank you {nm} Jan 11, 15:07
I don't deny it. Charlie is demonstrating it quite well. {nm} Jan 11, 14:45
Selma is rated 99% at RT and 89% at Metacritic. what's your theory for why audiences didn't turn out more to see it? {nm} Jan 11, 14:48
Don't know and don't care. Why don't you ask your friends why they didn't go. {nm} Jan 11, 15:03
But my theory, if i had one, would NOT be based on color. {nm} Jan 11, 15:04
...or race, religion, sexual orientation... {nm} Jan 11, 15:06
Why not? The U.S. today is far from being colorblind. "Black lives matter". {nm} Jan 11, 15:09
Wow. {nm} Jan 11, 15:17
Double wow {nm} Jan 11, 15:22
Because I don't believe the majority of americans are as shallow as you and charlie seem to believe. {nm} Jan 11, 15:15
$40 million for a pointless Liam Neeson sequel says they are {nm} Jan 11, 15:18
. . . because they are shallow {nm} Jan 11, 15:25
i find it interesting that you are being called a bigot here, and you havent called anyone racist. {nm} Jan 11, 15:26
Really? Can you even read? He didnt come out and say it but he has implied it countless times with his bigotted remarks Jan 11, 15:31
his personal feelings are established facts in film distribution Jan 11, 15:35
If they just would have not broken the law and obeyed the established order then the police would have not had to Jan 11, 16:32
Since you can read his mind so well explain these established facts that justifies his drawing a line between races Jan 11, 16:35
There's only one bigot who has made incriminated himself here. {nm} Jan 11, 15:27
And this person is? {nm} Jan 11, 15:32
I thought this whole tread was a mere discussion about racism with no supporting facts, as per your statement {nm} Jan 11, 15:34
...and there you have it. Case closed. {nm} Jan 11, 15:23
boyhood played in less than 800 theaters at its widest release. {nm} Jan 11, 15:11
He used the critic rating to justify whjy people where racist for not seeing Selma, So I countered. {nm} Jan 11, 15:23
So why did Selma get more theaters when it had lower critic rating? <sarcasm> And why should that matter? {nm} Jan 11, 15:19
you don't understand how being in 3x as many theaters gives you 3x the potential box office returns? {nm} Jan 11, 15:21
And Selma made 4x times the money on OW. Movies are overhyped all the time. {nm} Jan 11, 15:37
Not going to see a movie in the winter about a subject that's been around for 50 yrs does not make you racist {nm} Jan 11, 15:38
He never said it does {nm} Jan 11, 15:39
He said "White people" instead of just people that implies racism for many. But I realize now that was troll bait so I Jan 11, 16:07
I've never heard of Louis Zamperini before and I'd bet most other people haven't either. {nm} Jan 11, 16:04
Hollywood has been trying to make a movie version since the 50s and Unbroken sold millions of copies {nm} Jan 11, 16:06
b/c you're comparing apples (saturated releases) and oranges (limited releases). {nm} Jan 11, 15:21
then you're the only person who thinks boyhood didnt maximize its audience. Its considered a major arthouse hit {nm} Jan 11, 15:54
its not an exact science theater count, what theaters and total box office defines arthouse releases, not content Jan 11, 16:43
really? Hercules - 2104 theaters made 18 mil boxoffice. {nm} Jan 11, 16:39
+1 {nm} Jan 11, 14:50
Apparently not many black people went to see it, either. Are they racist, too? {nm} Jan 11, 13:08
+1 {nm} Jan 11, 15:02
i am not sue it has anything to do with race. However, another biopic...*yawn*. {nm} Jan 11, 14:03
they keep on cranking them out.....plenty to choose from. {nm} Jan 11, 14:15
2 of those stories are new to the public, like American Sniper. {nm} Jan 11, 14:16
Hollywood has never made a movie about MLK before Jan 11, 14:18
That doesn't make the MLK story any newer. The American public has heard it before. I have a dream speech has Jan 11, 14:32
that was at the March on Washington, not the Selma march {nm} Jan 11, 14:35
(but since America has heard it all before, you obviously knew that) {nm} Jan 11, 14:37
black PEOPLE are clearly interested in seeing it Jan 11, 14:39
At 11 million, not so much. Clearly their interest was not stong enough to get them to the theatres. {nm} Jan 11, 14:43
I'm totally with you. I hate it when other people don't spend their money the way I think they should. {nm} Jan 11, 14:51
the DVD will cost you more than $13.00 {nm} Jan 11, 15:20
but more then one person can watch it. {nm} Jan 11, 15:36
Properly moderated, this thread would be half as long and look like this {nm} Jan 11, 18:39
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You mean... with your posts deleted? {nm} Jan 11, 19:36
I think it'll have much better than average legs, but yeah an eleven million start isn't a very big base to decline from. Jan 11, 12:34
Stock way down for the awards season. Oprah going down again this yr. Academy rejected The Butler now Selma limping. {nm} Jan 11, 13:14
I agree with you on Oprah and The Butler. The movie was outstanding and amazing. And I think she did a fantastic job Jan 11, 15:41
maybe it gets a birthday boost next weekend.... {nm} Jan 11, 15:34
If Tyler Perry had directed it, it would've done 20 mill. {nm} Jan 11, 13:57
If Spielberg...if... Maybe people are just sick of biopics. {nm} Jan 11, 14:09
Spielberg directed a biopic about white politicians freeing the slaves. audiences loved it {nm} Jan 11, 15:02
Not so much - ignore the content and look at how other movies have done on this weekend in past years - 5000 PTA vs 6000 {nm} Jan 11, 15:57
Audience demos from BOM. Kinda proves your assumptions are invalid... Jan 11, 17:12
Source is BOG, link included... Jan 11, 17:14
what are the breakdowns for American Sniper? {nm} Jan 11, 17:37
Irrelevant. You said 'white people' (your words) didn't (or won't) go see SELMA. You are wrong. {nm} Jan 11, 19:07
and i will bet you that the split between white/black audiences for American Sniper is far greater than Selma's {nm} Jan 11, 19:30
I would love to continue to feed the troll, but I have run out of righteous indignation. {nm} Jan 11, 19:36
Happily NOT going to read any of the above :-) {nm} Jan 11, 23:38
