HSX Forum

Movies

Reply Topic List All Forums

But that's not what you wrote (use the inner message, perhaps?). You said that the Wonder Woman and Alita audiences were one and the same.

Posted by: BSmurf on Apr 05, 16:28 in response to VictorY's post "Alita" box office I felt is solid.. especially...

Not true, per BO results.

So I'm trying to figure out how your stated point (WW and ALITA = same audence) makes any sense.

Then something about "hating female heroes", which persumably refers to Captain Marvel not living up to some arbitrary number you're hanging your hat on.

"Marvel new character solo films usually pull around 3x Multiplier domestically" <<-- Is that the ONLY point you're trying to make in reference to the "failure" of Captain Marvel? CM did not meet THAT particular metric?

OK. Great. You win this one, darn you!!!

But it's a dumb metric to use in this case. So few 1st appearance solo movie characters have opened with the OW CM had. All of the other 1st solo films had much lower bars to clear (BO-wise) to hit the 3x mult due to MUCH lower OWs. The comparison is not apples to apples.

And you know it.

So why pile on for no reason?

Deadline has Captain Marvel making 14.2 million this weekend it's easily going to pass 400+million jamesbik333 Apr 05, 14:59

Shocker lol!!!! {nm} arbybaker Apr 05, 15:14

31% drop if that estimate holds {nm} tealfan Apr 05, 15:20

Point is moot. Even if it makes 390m it's still a massive success and has made a huge profit. {nm} numbersix_99 Apr 05, 15:44

Its Victor that set that arbitrary measurement & claimed that it was something Disney put out there. This just reinforces his ignorance {nm} Moviesnob Apr 05, 15:56

I would remind you MS, you said "Solo" was going to be huge also.. That didn't happen. Sorry, I look past the hype on films. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:01

So? This one was huge and you continue claiming it's some sort of failure. Just take the L and move on. {nm} benz0 Apr 05, 16:08

So was "Spiderman 3," and then the franchise got re-booted. Look, I can't just tell you what to hear.. not if I'm to stay honest. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:13

you have not been honest since the first day that you came here. {nm} RazorHawk Apr 05, 16:14

Remind us again why the comparison to the reboot after the 3rd film in a series to a 1st solo film is relevant? {nm} BSmurf Apr 05, 16:15

Marvel new character solo films usually pull around 3X Multiplier domestically.. or around there. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:17

Remind us again why the comparison to the reboot after the 3rd film in a series to a 1st solo film is relevant? {nm} BSmurf Apr 05, 16:18

They're both still Marvel films. Do you want me to compare CM to "Black Panther," instead..?? I don't think that'd be fair. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:22

I don't see you comparing ANY other Marvel solo movies to Black Panther. {nm} Antibody Apr 05, 16:24

I agree.. I don't think it'd be a fair comparison.. BP was truly a movie event we don't see very often. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:27

Spider-Man 3 starred a Marvel-created CHARACTER. The film was Sony's. Bad comparison is bad. {nm} BSmurf Apr 05, 16:29

So if Captain Marvel had opened to 20 bucks and finished with 60 it would be ok? {nm} islndr Apr 05, 16:23

Yes, and they usually open to <$100M, making it a lot easier to have a 3x multiple benz0 Apr 05, 16:24

Why can't you get it in your head that SM3 had a significantly larger budget and less box office than CM? You're comparing apples to lizards benz0 Apr 05, 16:21

SM3 had a budget of 258m, at the time an industry record. CM cost 100m LESS & will gross around 200m MORE. Your comparison is DoA. HurricaneKid Apr 06, 07:47

Yep. I don't recall anyone saying "I think Solo's going to have great legs. Sure the box office is bad so far, but I have feelings about it" {nm} RogerMore Apr 05, 16:15

If I lie to reinforce a small worldview and limited understanding, I welcome the board to be critical. That's why you're constantly being Moviesnob Apr 05, 16:12

A small world-view? You're claiming the same audience that fully embraced Wonder Woman and Battle Angel suddenly hates female heroes???? {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:15

Captain Marvel made 2x Alita's whole domestic run in the 1st weekend? You're being nonsensical, now. {nm} BSmurf Apr 05, 16:18

"Alita" box office I felt is solid.. especially for a non-Marvel new character. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:20

And I thought you were trolling before... {nm} benz0 Apr 05, 16:27

But that's not what you wrote (use the inner message, perhaps?). You said that the Wonder Woman and Alita audiences were one and the same. BSmurf Apr 05, 16:28

Alita's does not (and won't) even make the top 100 BO list for non-Marvel films. Alita did alright overseas, but tatoufan Apr 05, 16:38

Also it cost more to make than Captain Marvel! {nm} benz0 Apr 05, 16:42

geez, accept your mistake and go home. Comparing Alita with Captain Marvel in terms of BO success? LOL L3stat Apr 05, 16:38

Female heroes played by actors who point out that there's not a lot of diversity on movie journalism/criticism and take active steps to RogerMore Apr 05, 16:22

I don't know if that hurt the film honestly, her comments. I think its more the film is just kind of "meh" for the Marvel fans. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:24

Once CMARV reaches 405m, her OW multiplier will be higher than Infinity War. {nm} Qix Apr 05, 16:38

That would be impressive. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:40

CM has an A CinemaScore. Personally, I've not heard a Marvel fan in my circles say they didn't like it. {nm} tatoufan Apr 05, 16:42

The Marvel fans took out their frustration by buying tickets to the next movie with the character in record numbers {nm} Moviesnob Apr 05, 16:43

Yep, those crazy fans will probably going to buy the CM action figures and T's too. {nm} tatoufan Apr 05, 16:56

So did "Star Trek: Into Darkness" and ST fans still regard it as the worst in the series. {nm} VictorY Apr 05, 16:45

Where did that come from? CM is a very popular film with over a billion in BO and counting. tatoufan Apr 05, 17:11