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But, like Flava Flav, Lee's "success" may not have been as much reliant on the product (stories/music) and more about the showmanship...

Posted by: VicMackeyYTD on Feb 24, 16:57 in response to Roger More's post I'm not a comics guy, but for me, it's telling that Stan...

...In Lee's case, judging by the article's presentation of him being interested in the fame as much as anything else, I'd say he maintained success throughout the whole thing. Even financially, and even considering the bad financial decisions he made, the numbers make it look like he was doing ok (810k a year + 405k to the wife starting in the 90's for a figurehead role). Sure, there is a somewhat small group of comic book enthusiests that don't like him, but his ability to stay relevant may be the success he was always looking for.

Outside of enjoying the books he was involved with as a kid, I don't have any fandom for the guy, but I'd have a hard time saying he wasn't involved enough in the books that I read to not deserve writing credit. And, like art credit, I think they both should get it.

(After reading the linked Kirby interview, I am even more convinced of this. Kirby sounded like a semi-senile extremely bitter man being led on by the interviewer and his wife. The last two pages of that interview, which was VERY long, seemed really over the top.)

NYV: Why is Stan Lee's legacy in question? Antibody Feb 23, 14:52

20 years ago this would have been a disgruntled fan letter, at best. Now, with public shaming all the rage... BSmurf Feb 23, 18:23

Crap - I had only read the first 1/3 and it looked like a blog rant. Kept reading - wow. Ignore most of above. {nm} BSmurf Feb 23, 18:26

Finished the article - still mostly a hit piece/rant, but the Kirby/Ditko stuff was pretty damning, although 30-40 years water under bridge {nm} BSmurf Feb 24, 07:09

It was a very interesting read. I'm not sure I'd call the Kirby/Ditko stuff "damning" but it does seem as though all involved should get... Willroast Feb 24, 07:15

I agree, MOST of the stuff in the article could be explained away as simply different POVs about the same subject. So what if Stan has a BSmurf Feb 24, 08:54

I walked away feeling like the fact that Lee (and his people) seemed to have no interest in contributing to the author's article... Willroast Feb 24, 09:34

Also, if you read even the beginning of the Kirby interview linked in the article, you can see that the man had a fairly large ego of his... Willroast Feb 24, 10:01

I'm not a comics guy, but for me, it's telling that Stan Lee had a burst of creativity in which all his best characters were created, and Roger More Feb 24, 13:34

Seems a pretty good sum up. The rest is petty grievances from fans, mostly about quantity vs (perceived lack of) quality {nm} BSmurf Feb 24, 14:37

But, like Flava Flav, Lee's "success" may not have been as much reliant on the product (stories/music) and more about the showmanship... VicMackeyYTD Feb 24, 16:57

I don't begrudge Lee a writing credit or claiming to be a co-creator. But sole creator seems too much for me. {nm} RogerMore Feb 24, 20:11

great read...grumpy old men :) ...sounds like it's going to be a he said/he said situation forever and we'll never get a straight story {nm} tealfan Feb 24, 08:03

Just wait for the inevitable movie. :) {nm} Antibody Feb 24, 09:18

Will Stan be attached due to his cameo? :) {nm} DTravel Feb 24, 12:46

I think Ken Burns needs to get on this {nm} tealfan Feb 25, 08:54

My serious 2 cents inside. DTravel Feb 24, 17:13