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Was this movie making a political comment that I missed? Is it a real life story? Maybe it is making a comment about 98.5% Japanese Japan?

Posted by: Catzan on Mar 31, 22:13 in response to Antibody's post C: Ghost in the Shell Is Racist in Unexpected Ways...

This is art. Well...it is commercial art. Why can't the director or casting agents be judged on the performance of the actors they picked? 

I want to see a good movie. If Chow Yun Fat in drag as Major gave a credible performance, I wouldn't worry that he is from Hong Kong, long in the tooth for the role or even that he is a guy. #OldAsianGuyForBestActress!FigureThatOneOutOscars!!

But ok...I get the issue that this is a missed opportunity for a Japanese actress to take on a leading role in Hollywood that are unfairly few and fleeting...or would it have been enough that the actress be Chinese...Vietnamese? Was Ms. Johansson just straight out chosen...how was she chosen? Were there try outs?  I would rather know that than read a click bait article that is all opinion and supposition by the writer. I liked the io9 opinion piece better as it fleshed out things a little bit better and had a nice roundtable of discussion about not just the casting but the movie itself. (link below)

So, let's see a real attempt at journalism that digs into the why's and how's that casting occurs. If it exposes enough unfairness, that will help effect change through public awareness.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/io9-roundtable-how-ghost-in-the-shell-fumbles-race-and-1793909653

C: Ghost in the Shell Is Racist in Unexpected Ways (would make an interesting double feature with Get Out) Antibody Mar 31, 08:32

which apparently is one reason WB is chasing Peele for Akira. or they could just cast the roles appropriately {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 09:07

They did. They put a good looking girl in a role she deserves {nm} tteddy286 Mar 31, 12:52

you think we're taking this racism thing too far... durf Mar 31, 09:34

The article had a pretty simple explanation. From my POV the twisting comes from the "this couldn't possibly be racist in any way" argument {nm} RogerMore Mar 31, 09:47

we aren't anywhere remotely in the vicinity of "far" in dealing with white America's racism {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 09:56

There's no "contorting" to see what's plain in sight. A Tokyo where Japanese people is a minority. A Japanese woman LITERALLY Antibody Mar 31, 09:58

why is ok to cast a minority in the role of a traditionally white character, but not ok to cast a white person as a traditionally ethnic adrenalin112 Mar 31, 10:59

name one example of the negative that you're saying exists (white actor taking a traditionally non-white role) {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 11:02

liz banks in power rangers {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:03

isnt Ghost in the shell another example? Scarlett playing Major Motoko Kusanagi, I dont know Manga stuff??? {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:06

miles teller playing latin vinny pazienza (bleed for this) {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:11

these are not on the same level as Barbie or Spiderman, sorry {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 11:15

well we havent switched up barbie or spiderman yet.... so whats your point {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:22

They did in the comics. Even did it to Ironman {nm} tteddy286 Mar 31, 12:54

I think you have to look case by case. In this specific case, it's the lead role, and also most of the other roles in the movie. RogerMore Mar 31, 11:10

Because white people have been taking the roles of underrepresented minorities hundred of years, but not vice versa. {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 11:30

so now its time to exact revenge & exclude white people? {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:41

No, casting POC to play roles created as POC would just be a start. That's not exclusion. {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 11:47

Casting a POC to play a fictional white character would then be just leveling the acting field. {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 11:51

im upset that british emma watson was cast to play a french belle, i must protest my disgust! {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:01

geez you really have it out for white people dmac {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:04

I don't how wanting equality and fairness is "having it out for white people". {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 12:09

Because you want to exclude white people from being able to play characters that were traditionally a POC adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:15

Nope, I never said white people should be excluded and those roles can only be played by POC. {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 12:19

Wanting POC to play roles written for POC is not coming at the expense of white people. {nm} Antibody Mar 31, 12:22

And how is that not? {nm} tteddy286 Mar 31, 12:47

Though again, we still have Peter Parker and white Barbie. They're not excluded. {nm} RogerMore Mar 31, 11:47

Racism would be casting based on race, not on what will generate the most profit... durf Mar 31, 10:17

This post proves my point. {nm} RogerMore Mar 31, 10:28

if anything it proves you're racist {nm} durf Mar 31, 10:32

don't mean to make it a personal attack on you . . . just the fact this is being discussed means those who bring it up are racist. {nm} durf Mar 31, 10:34

they need to look deep inside...they have a lot of hate, sad. {nm} durf Mar 31, 10:35

No, it just proves you should be asking yourself some obvious questions. RogerMore Mar 31, 10:41

Actually had this movie been cast with a more traditional look & its appropriate asian race, it could have been more profitable. {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:01

Though there's a twist there as well - would a Hollywood studio be able to make an Asian-themed movie for Asians that is profitable? RogerMore Mar 31, 11:46

Fresh of the boat is seeming to do really well, its one of my favorite sitcoms on tv at the moment. adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:11

Though TV is something that allows a lot more experimentation and risk-taking. The show's not working quite well? Tweak it. The show doesn't RogerMore Mar 31, 12:38

To answer the question, yes, but it has to be done in baby steps, and building up stars to appropriately represent the culture & appeal to adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:13

But paraphrasing, that's "yes, but not yet" {nm} RogerMore Mar 31, 12:25

What's disgusting is how much stupid is out there, especially amongst white people. islander Mar 31, 10:35

that white guilt runs deep {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:02

No that's not it. {nm} islander Mar 31, 11:06

thats just 1 of many reasons. Another of which is, they just dont understand the perspective of something theyve never experienced {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 11:13

Exactly - many people don't like what they don't know. When I was a kid, I rarely saw non-white and never interacted with them, then as an JDolphin Mar 31, 12:34

this isn't about people's own personal experiences. this is about persistent discrimination on a systemic level {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 12:38

But people are discriminated for all sorts of reasons - there is persitant against - short, fat, old, female, etc. Just because you haven't JDolphin Mar 31, 14:11

nobody has to feel guilty about remedying past discrimination. just do it and be happy {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 11:50

No one has to remedy anything. Dont blame the current generation for prior generations mistakes. {nm} adrenalin112 Mar 31, 12:17

fixing the past in no way assigns "blame" or "guilt" (except in the mind of white people, apparently). it's just fixing what's been broken {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 31, 12:23

Get em man. Hit them all with the truth. They all seem to have a great disregard for fairness by desiring only POC in roles {nm} tteddy286 Mar 31, 12:50

Dude, hit the nail right on the head. {nm} tteddy286 Mar 31, 12:57

It is absolutely AMAZING that Rollingthunder hasn't said a damn thing about this. {nm} PlayItAgainSam Mar 31, 18:52

Was this movie making a political comment that I missed? Is it a real life story? Maybe it is making a comment about 98.5% Japanese Japan? Catzan Mar 31, 22:13





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