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I don't really agree with your points.

Posted by: medv4380 on May 07, 08:29 in response to DTXbro's post A collection of Avengers-related thoughts about the movies.

Point 1 is a bit valid, but I dissagree with the logic behind it.  I think this has more to do with condensing the time table for DVD and BluRay Releases, and moving up Pay Per View Releases.  Cheeper alternatives allow the poorer audince to change their habits to save some money.  Leaving only the Richer audiance to make up for the loss of revenu. It can become a vicious cycle.

I'd only believe point 2 if all season long was like the Summer Blockbuster season.  We probalby wont see too many films like Avengers with a Fall or Winter release date.

Point 3 is an argument that has existed since the entertainment industry has existed.  Truth be known that there is no original story out there, and humans have been modifing the same dozen or so stories since the beginning of thier existance. Acemics have been making this argument for a long time, and Avengers or any other story will not be the cause of it.  The cause is your ultimate relization that it is the truth, and the assuption is that it wasn't always that way, but it has been for a while.

Avengers proved point 4 to be false.  The setup and story for Avengers required a fair number of experianced actor. RDJ surely is in Johnny Depp or Angelina Jolie's class, same for Edward Norton in the Incredible Hulk. A good comic book movie requires a well thought out script, good actors, and a good director. Otherwise you end up with Green Lantern, Green Hornet, or any in the long line of BAD comic book movies.  All Avengers has done is proved how the Formula SHOULD be done.  Unfortunatly I believe that WB will continue with their hit and miss formula with DC, and I have little hope for the Franchises that Marvel sold to others.

Thier have always been Hack directors like Michal Bay because some people just have bad taste, or just want to see a raw action flic.  I'd put most of the stuff Arnold has been in in this catagory, along with a good portion of John Wayne (i appologies), and Evis Presly.  Some times they are in good movies like True Grit, or Terminator, but other times they are in the movies just because they are an "action star" and the movie otherwise sucks.

A collection of Avengers-related thoughts about the movies. DTXbro May 07, 07:46

agreed on your point 3. Furthermore; 'why so serious' about this kiddiefare JMT-NL May 07, 07:53

You should probably go back and re-read points 1, 2, 4, and 5. :) {nm} DTXbro May 07, 08:04

okay... tried again... head hurts... AAArgh... JMT Smash ! {nm} JMT-NL May 07, 08:50

The most important point was in the final line.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 10:23

Luxurification? Infantalization? {nm} forlorne May 07, 08:28

I don't really agree with your points. medv4380 May 07, 08:29

I believe Robert Downey Jr. sold some Avengers tickets. But isn't that a vivid exception? Edward Norton is a fine actor, but DTXbro May 07, 08:47

RDOWN, in the same way JDEPP made the "Pirates..." franchise work, or HLEDG made BATM2 something very good into something... second gary May 07, 09:31

I think your mixing some rotten apples in with your oranges. medv4380 May 07, 09:58

Box office figures seem to suggest that many AVNGR patrons did not see the predecessor movies. I doubt most viewers cared about missing the DTXbro May 07, 10:22

Following this logic, box office figures seem to suggest that many ANVGR patrons did not see any other movie ever SamJohnson2 May 07, 10:42

What form of logic do you have in mind? Deductive, inductive, and even abductive appear to be out of the running.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:20

The argument of it being Hackneyed is academic, and applies to everything. medv4380 May 07, 11:34

Comic books v. John McPhee. Shawshank Redemption v. Gigli. Paul Newman v. Kim Kardashian. At some point, who is to say what is superior? DTXbro May 07, 11:57

The Audience is the correct answer. medv4380 May 07, 12:17

The mass audience decides popularity. Nothing more. Do McBurgers and ramen noodles top the "best foods" list. As for Ebert's review, DTXbro May 07, 12:40

The Audience is the only measuring stick you really have. medv4380 May 07, 13:54

Don't worry. It's the blockbusters that pay the way for artistic films. elchan May 07, 09:05

And if anyone fixates on artistic films, it's a guy named Bluto who lives at Delta House! {nm} DTXbro May 07, 15:49

Relax. Not every film can be high-minded art like Caddyshack or Animal House. {nm} Tanker May 07, 09:32

Those films will be quoted for decades and are featured in well-regarded lists. A work of almost any genre can be done well, or brilliantly. DTXbro May 07, 10:30

Seems to me that you are like Judge Smails looking down on lowbrow entertainment like The Avengers. Tanker May 07, 10:37

Stripes, Caddyshack, and Animal House were great lowbrow entertainments, which is in some ways the best entertainment. {nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:22

The gist of your argument (such that it is) when all is said and done comes to an internet meme. Tanker May 07, 11:47

I do not begrudge those that like The Avengers. I count myself fortunate that these are my children's economic competitors. But if we can DTXbro May 07, 12:45





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