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I think your mixing some rotten apples in with your oranges.

Posted by: medv4380 on May 07, 09:58 in response to DTXbro's post I believe Robert Downey Jr. sold some Avengers tickets....

The only reason Thor outdid Cap was that Cap was competing with Harry Potter's second week. Honestly, I was expecting Thor to be like Green Lantern and construct a pot that was utter nonsense.  Chris was also able to pull off a believable Thor instead of Rayan giving a Kyle performance and calling it Jordan.  The script at least flowed and the director wasn't half bad. If you're saying studios will settle for 50-100 million then yes they will skimp on the acting, script, and the director.

If you removed any of the prior films leading up the the Avengers then it wouldn't have been as good of a film.  IM2 may have made money but it showed them what worked and what doesn't. Thor, Incredible Hulk, and Cap establish needed story so Avengers wasn't stopping to explain itself every 5 seconds.

If you toss a hack like Uwe Boll at any of these films they would fail to make any of the revenu that Marvel has to date. Seth Rogen clearly didn't know how to write or act in the Green Hornet.  Your argument is that Bad acting, Bad Scripts, and Bad directors wont make low grossing Super Hero Films. My argument is that if you want Avengers you need all 3 if you want to make money you need 2 out of the 3, and if you don't care you only need 1 see Spier-man 3 and X-Men the last stand.

We'll know the difference when WB decides they have to have a JL movie and do exactly what you're saying.  If they don't follow the Avengers formula and fail to establish a good continous story, and settle for actors who don't know how to act in the role, it wont do any good, and could end up spending more then they make to do it.

A collection of Avengers-related thoughts about the movies. DTXbro May 07, 07:46

agreed on your point 3. Furthermore; 'why so serious' about this kiddiefare JMT-NL May 07, 07:53

You should probably go back and re-read points 1, 2, 4, and 5. :) {nm} DTXbro May 07, 08:04

okay... tried again... head hurts... AAArgh... JMT Smash ! {nm} JMT-NL May 07, 08:50

The most important point was in the final line.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 10:23

Luxurification? Infantalization? {nm} forlorne May 07, 08:28

I don't really agree with your points. medv4380 May 07, 08:29

I believe Robert Downey Jr. sold some Avengers tickets. But isn't that a vivid exception? Edward Norton is a fine actor, but DTXbro May 07, 08:47

RDOWN, in the same way JDEPP made the "Pirates..." franchise work, or HLEDG made BATM2 something very good into something... second gary May 07, 09:31

I think your mixing some rotten apples in with your oranges. medv4380 May 07, 09:58

Box office figures seem to suggest that many AVNGR patrons did not see the predecessor movies. I doubt most viewers cared about missing the DTXbro May 07, 10:22

Following this logic, box office figures seem to suggest that many ANVGR patrons did not see any other movie ever SamJohnson2 May 07, 10:42

What form of logic do you have in mind? Deductive, inductive, and even abductive appear to be out of the running.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:20

The argument of it being Hackneyed is academic, and applies to everything. medv4380 May 07, 11:34

Comic books v. John McPhee. Shawshank Redemption v. Gigli. Paul Newman v. Kim Kardashian. At some point, who is to say what is superior? DTXbro May 07, 11:57

The Audience is the correct answer. medv4380 May 07, 12:17

The mass audience decides popularity. Nothing more. Do McBurgers and ramen noodles top the "best foods" list. As for Ebert's review, DTXbro May 07, 12:40

The Audience is the only measuring stick you really have. medv4380 May 07, 13:54

Don't worry. It's the blockbusters that pay the way for artistic films. elchan May 07, 09:05

And if anyone fixates on artistic films, it's a guy named Bluto who lives at Delta House! {nm} DTXbro May 07, 15:49

Relax. Not every film can be high-minded art like Caddyshack or Animal House. {nm} Tanker May 07, 09:32

Those films will be quoted for decades and are featured in well-regarded lists. A work of almost any genre can be done well, or brilliantly. DTXbro May 07, 10:30

Seems to me that you are like Judge Smails looking down on lowbrow entertainment like The Avengers. Tanker May 07, 10:37

Stripes, Caddyshack, and Animal House were great lowbrow entertainments, which is in some ways the best entertainment. {nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:22

The gist of your argument (such that it is) when all is said and done comes to an internet meme. Tanker May 07, 11:47

I do not begrudge those that like The Avengers. I count myself fortunate that these are my children's economic competitors. But if we can DTXbro May 07, 12:45





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