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I will never understand Michael Bay's appeal. This is not Transformers as I know, but a crappy hollowed imitation, so it can't be TFRM fans.

Posted by: chosenone2oo5 on Jun 28, 09:21 in response to budice's post V: ‘Transformers: Age of Extinction’ Has...

Does anybody else get what I mean here? I can't wait till Paramount finally hires a director that can carry over some of what made Transformers smart, and stop limiting it to what I would consider so very very stupid. Like Gareth Edwards fixing Roland Emmerich's "Godzilla," or Christopher Nolan saving Joel Schumacher's "Batman," or Matthew Vaughn and Bryan Singer saving the "X-Men" franchise from the likes of Brett Ratner or Gavin Hood, or Martin Campbell coming back to save James Bond after the 20th film had lost its way. To me, Michael Bay is just a no-talent hired gun, no better than Roland Emmerich, Joel Schumacher, Brett Ratner, Gavin Hood, or even as poor a storyteller as Skip Woods (you all know what I'm talking about).

Here's looking to you, Michael Bay. Maybe someone should go back to shooting excessively budgeted Victoria's Secret commercials. It's all you were ever good for. Someone needs to hold you accountable for quality. It's supposed to be the fanboys' jobs, but they must've been sleeping for the past 7 years. They killed "Green Lantern," "Battleship," "Dark Shadows," so many other scenarios where quality mattered. Why does Michael Bay continue to get away with producing major crap and still end up with a potential $103M+ OW? Is there really no justice in the world?

Here's hoping it only grosses about ~$225M so Paramount knows they need to change something, instead of just repeating their formula. If this ends up with another ~$280M+, they'll be lazy and try to justify their past decisions on the franchise, which would ruin it in 4-5 years.

Something needs to change so I can start looking forward to this series again. After the second film (2009), I was done. I knew I'd never get a satisfying Transformers film from Michael Bay. I haven't. Still waiting. You hear me, Paramount? Don't let him back into any story/producing meetings. Keep him creatively out of the loop for the next installment; that's what reboots are for, right????

V: ‘Transformers: Age of Extinction’ Has Year’s Biggest Opening Day, Set for $104 Million Weekend budice Jun 28, 08:36

41.6 estimate box office mojo mishra Jun 28, 09:04

if you take out the midnights, that's just over 6 million more than Captain 2 did on Friday. which hopefully equates to a strong Saturday lobogotti Jun 28, 09:32

maybe but that was less of a sequel {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:37

what was less of a sequel? {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:44

I haven't watch alot of those movies but wasn't captain america in a film or two last 5 years? like Avengers or something. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:45

no, that is the 2nd film in the Captain America franchise {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:53

lol totally never heard of the first, thought that was the first one. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:57

so that tells me two things about you.... 1st, you're new to the game and 2nd you're not from the US {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:59

Played in 2000 2001 and hardly have any movie investments {nm} mishra Jun 28, 10:02

+2. "Like the Avengers or something?" {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:02

I live in US actually mishra Jun 28, 10:17

odd that you play this game and live in the US and never heard of the first Captain America film. $176M BO domestic lobogotti Jun 28, 10:23

Or "Marvel's The Avengers," which came out just 2 years ago and was a $623M titan domestically, #3 all-time. HSX lit up like the sun. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:46

Just worked out that way, some years I see dozens of movies in theatres and some I hardly see any. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 11:20

I did see all 3 ironman ones.....just never got around to pulling out this dvd of Avengers I bought last year. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:46

You probably better comparing T4 to a sequel. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:49

Spiderman was a sequel, Captain America was a sequel, Godzilla was a reboot {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:52

I will never understand Michael Bay's appeal. This is not Transformers as I know, but a crappy hollowed imitation, so it can't be TFRM fans. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 09:21

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. lol Was it really that bad? {nm} Dorfman Jun 28, 09:24

It's bad when heavy marketing yells at me that a new "Transformers" movie is coming every 2-3 yrs, and there's no chance I'll enjoy it. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 09:36

I think paramount is pretty happy with bay and transformers. It's more a question if he wants to come back. {nm} Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:03

If they can afford him. A crap director costs excessive amounts of $$, yet there's talented young up-and-comers that cost much less! chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:10

thats your fanboy talking. it doesnt matter what you want. Think about it from Paramount's point of view. Bay is "talented" and "effective" Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:16

That's only a solid formula until "been there, done that" isn't just something critics say, but fans say too. Any franchise can be worn down {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:22

thats true. Just look at Spiderman. But this one aint there yet. Studios know that franchises go up and down. Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:27

There have been some amazingly innovative, fresh ideas in old franchises recently. I've been impressed all year. But then "Transformers"... chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:31

I'll quote Billy Bob from Bad Santa: "well, they all can't be winners, can they?" Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:35

Thanks for the link!--in context, that's surprisingly fitting. "Transformers" is my advent calendar, & Michael Bay's is just a candy corn. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:50

Who's the more foolish: Michael Bay, or the fools who follow him? I'm boycotting "Transformers: Age of Extinction," I don't count. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 11:01

get used to it, this film will kill it overseas. they have many more sequels to churn out with the same "winning" formula. lobogotti Jun 28, 09:40

I'd hope that Paramount hasn't screwed the "Transformers" name to the point where no reputable director would bother with it. Lol "winning." chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:01

but they see nothing wrong when A- cinema scores and $100M OWs happen. to them the critics need not apply lobogotti Jun 28, 10:07

I wish the darkest nastiest curses, swears & cusses were allowed on the Forum to express how angry I am w/ the paradox of TFRM4's "success." chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:18

Also, quality control has made "Captain America" and "X-Men" now bigger domestically than "Spider-Man." Just a few years ago, Spidey was #1. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:24

LMFAO!!! man, you're VERY upset. it's tough because the quality of story can really be improved, but they release lobogotti Jun 28, 10:32

It's not shocking: there's fanboys from the '80s that deserve better, but they still hope. It's heartbreaking really. Also, on story--> chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:44

Michael Bay is a genius... givin 'em what they want (see inside) lobogotti Jun 28, 10:36

if this graph ain't telling, I don't know what is! {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 10:37

There's just way too many variables to say that is the sole correlation. Cute. I didn't realize there were really that many explosions. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:52

it's a fun graph. That's about it {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 11:07

Those are awesome, thanks! {nm} tatoufan Jun 28, 16:00

Transformers 3 made over 1b worldwide on a 200m budget. If I were paramount I'd love bay to death. kidico4life2 Jun 28, 10:22

for me, screenwriter Ehren Kruger's quote from the other day sums it up... tealfan Jun 28, 11:05

Right, the guy that said "logical sense doesn't have to be the end-all, be-all" for plots: already proved my point they're lazy amateurs. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 12:51

This was such an entertaining thread to read.. I wish for a good TRFM movie too, but will have to live with explosions i guess {nm} Dorfman Jun 28, 12:17

BO notes TFRM4's Flixster audience score FYI... 15-May-2007 Jun 28, 15:45





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