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"art" is subjective. I wouldnt call Babel art. I wouldnt call Birdman art. But thats just my opinion.

Posted by: Moviesnob on Oct 15, 18:36 in response to charlie's post no, but it raises the valid question of why anyone...

its also naive to think every film that cost $20 mil to make and release does $80 mil at the box. thats wishful thinking.Ā 

DL: actual Latino writer/director sees comic book movies as "poison" and "cultural genocide" (don't tell DMac) charlie Oct 15, 17:55

And? One man's opinion speaks for an entire minority? What? {nm} Antibody Oct 15, 18:02

no, but it raises the valid question of why anyone (minority or otherwise) would want to participate in an artistically bankrupt genre charlie Oct 15, 18:26

"art" is subjective. I wouldnt call Babel art. I wouldnt call Birdman art. But thats just my opinion. Moviesnob Oct 15, 18:36

I mean Robert Redford was in Captain America for moses sakes. He's done a lot for art. More than maybe a handful {nm} Moviesnob Oct 15, 18:38

Babel is an awful movie. Haven't seen Birdman yet. It's an interesting point re superhero movies although it's hardly... numbersix_99 Oct 16, 03:02

In your opinion, what are examples of artistic films? {nm} goodvibe61 Oct 16, 09:56

my tastes run pretty classical, but in terms of releases this year: Leviathan, Force Majeur, Blue Ruin, Duke of Burgundy Moviesnob Oct 16, 10:56

Also the tribe, goodnight mommy, field in England, the look of silence. Some of these are our films of course {nm} Moviesnob Oct 16, 15:55

So what.. If a movie isn't artistic then it shouldn't be made? {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 08:58

yes, exactly charlie Oct 16, 09:04

So lets just stop making comedies, horrors, and any other genre of movie that someone might not consider artistic.. Yeah that will fun.... {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 09:12

Well, I think one could argue there is "art" in all of the best examples of those genres, but this is all very subjective {nm} numbersix_99 Oct 16, 09:52

Exactly it's objective. You just can't blanket a whole genre as not being artistic {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 10:17

true. the original Superman and Superman II were actually great movies {nm} charlie Oct 16, 10:23

Wait. You don't think The Exorcist, Eyes Without A Face, or Doctor Stangelove are artistic? {nm} goodvibe61 Oct 16, 09:54

Oh I do.. I was being sarcastic in my statement about stop making comedies and horrors. {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 10:17

Reductio Ad Absurdam Man to the rescue charlie Oct 16, 10:00

No; only the reasonable part of it. {nm} goodvibe61 Oct 16, 10:05

This guy sounds like a clown to me... MattW Oct 15, 19:46

LOL. {nm} goodvibe61 Oct 16, 09:55

both of them {nm} KingDrunk Oct 16, 16:08

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. {nm} Bubba_Fett Oct 15, 19:53

The Winter Soldier is one example of a comic book movie that's grown-up and sophisticated and artistically a triumph. lesana Oct 16, 04:53

+1 {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 09:01

"or has run out of the courage to invest in them"...I'd lean towards that...probably lots of younger generation staffers with ideas {nm} tealfan Oct 16, 09:07

It's not about courage, it's about money. There are plenty of people willing to take risks with, say, $20M of other people's money. RogerMore Oct 16, 10:05

That's what I do with 20 million of my HSX money. :) {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 10:18

yes, they (thus far) have proved to be a mostly safe, winning bet, in hindsight. other safe bets: Gravity, Argo, American Hustle charlie Oct 16, 10:22

I'd rather see those movies too - but those are still riskier, and the studios took decisions to minimise the risks of failure. RogerMore Oct 16, 10:57

So wait.. Comic book movies aren't artistic but Ted is? {nm} Dorfman Oct 16, 11:29

It's not that sophisticated. {nm} goodvibe61 Oct 16, 09:57





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