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I like this quote from EW...basically, we held an Olympics after 9/11 but we can't show a movie after a hacker attack?

Posted by: tealfan on Dec 18, 09:02 in response to KalElFan's post Interview Blame Game (Exhibitors or Sony?), possible...

"The United States hosted the Olympics in 2002, when security was hardly guaranteed; during the five preceding months, there had been the 9/11 attacks, the anthrax scare, the attempted shoe bombing of an American Airlines flight, and too many other vague threats to list here. But a threat from a supposed hacker group is all it takes to sink a film, even if the Department of Homeland Security has its doubts about what those threats mean."

EW

Interview Blame Game (Exhibitors or Sony?), possible boycott backlash, and could it now be released early next year? KalElFan Dec 18, 07:49

Link or is this more speculation? If the take insurance payout, it will no longer be theirs to decide. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 08:00

+1 screw the hacker nitwits {nm} Dorfman Dec 18, 08:14

It should be released straight to internet anytime now by those same North Korean hackers. Who screws who? {nm} fricnfractal Dec 18, 08:15

The potential damage from a long-term boycott backlash by legitimate moviegoers would far exceed skulking downloaders. KalElFan Dec 18, 08:37

North Korea is not going away in a month. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 08:43

Overall box office damage from people staying home out of fear would be much worse. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 08:48

That's the calculation right now, yes, give in to the hacker nitwits. Those who disadain that can also boycott though. {nm} KalElFan Dec 18, 09:00

Not enough boycotters to matter {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 09:06

Maybe not, but it's way too early to make that call. Caving to nitwit hackers / terrorists is unpopular {nm} KalElFan Dec 18, 09:15

No it's not. This is not a matter of National pride. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 09:21

A Google search thoroughly refutes you on it being popular, and it's principle not pride. {nm} KalElFan Dec 18, 09:27

Only people i see visibly upset are actors who are screaming about their pocketbooks under the guise of patriotism. tradermark Dec 18, 09:49

No - a boycott would require sustained protest. Trending stuff is a flash in the pan. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 10:19

uhhh No but way to get the stock moving. How can the reward outweigh just one event? tradermark Dec 18, 08:32

Motive agreed. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 08:38

HSX had already retained the Interview w/o a release date and the stock was already sharply up before I posted. So inherently HSX raised... KalElFan Dec 18, 08:44

Did you read the lasted tagged article? Sony is not releasing the movie in any form. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 08:46

+1 {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 08:47

The V article said "Sony has no plans..." and 24 hours prior they were going ahead. Things change and you lose the argument when you... KalElFan Dec 18, 08:56

Why would I halt and delist NTRVW? Has it been released in theaters, VOD or DVD, or been 3 years without any release? Antibody Dec 18, 09:00

You just suggested Sony was not releasing the movie in any form, which is irrelevant to my posts unless you mean EVER releasing it KalElFan Dec 18, 09:10

Yes, EVER. You're just not paying attention. Sony going the insurance route, for that to happen, they can't make a penny. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:17

You're not paying attention to your own V article, the months if not years for an insurance claim, and you've kept the stock active... KalElFan Dec 18, 09:22

Again "Why would I halt and delist NTRVW? Has it been released in theaters, VOD or DVD, or been 3 years without any release?" {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:28

Because the context of your argument is and was that Sony has made a decision to never release it. If it's not, then you're just KalElFan Dec 18, 09:33

I've answered your question twice now. You're just not paying attention. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:46

The movie is wrapped. It could always be released in the future by another (crazy) distributor or go straight to dvd at which time fricnfractal Dec 18, 10:02

Beyond that if your object wasn't to move the stock why include a 50 million opening figure in your original post? {nm} tradermark Dec 18, 09:52

Coupled with weaksauce arguments, his motive is now quite clear. {nm} Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 10:29

Retained per the rules. See the FAQ. Anti already said the 3 circumstances that would merit delist Chateau_du_Mal_Voisin Dec 18, 12:22

I think the danger here is the precedent it sets. Now any nut job organization or protest group religious or otherwise knows what to do Dorfman Dec 18, 10:32

I like this quote from EW...basically, we held an Olympics after 9/11 but we can't show a movie after a hacker attack? tealfan Dec 18, 09:02

+1 True. DHS said no credible threat {nm} Dorfman Dec 18, 09:10

And the DHS , just like the poster here, isn't going to be paying the lawsuit off if the worse happened. {nm} tradermark Dec 18, 09:13

apparently, Sony is more afraid of lawsuits than the IOC {nm} tealfan Dec 18, 10:16

So everytime someone threatens something we should just shut it down or pull it from being shown? Thats Bulls**t {nm} Dorfman Dec 18, 10:25





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(-0.42)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          One to One: John & Yoko (OTOJY) 150000 1.15 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 2000 20.00 (0.00)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 1 13.32 (+0.43)          The Ballad of a Small Player (TBOSP) 150000 0.62 (-0.38)          Enemies (ENMES) 149999 20.00 (0.00)          A Minecraft Movie (MINEC) 376 377.10 (+4.54)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 11000 36.98 (-0.42)          Bruce Lee (BRLEE) 11000 16.96 (0.00)          The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt (LOTR5) 3250 153.12 (+0.88)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 42 36.98 (-0.42)          Black Phone 2 (BPHO2) 60 57.31 (+0.14)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Ethan Hawke (EHAWK) 1 30.21 (0.00)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 81 1.22 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (CCBB) 5000 33.37 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 100 1.22 (0.00)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Drop (DROP) 64696 20.51 (-0.42)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 5000 13.32 (+0.43)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 119 1.22 (0.00)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 200 1.22 (0.00)          Star Wars directed by Shawn Levy (SWAR4) 150000 161.03 (+2.73)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          Odessa Young (OYOUN) 310 1.17 (0.00)          Thunderbolts* (TBOLT) 108558 218.48 (+1.11)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 1000 36.98 (-0.42)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 150000 13.32 (+0.43)          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Lee (BRLEE) 11000 16.96 (0.00)          The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt (LOTR5) 3250 153.12 (+0.88)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 42 36.98 (-0.42)          Black Phone 2 (BPHO2) 60 57.31 (+0.14)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Ethan Hawke (EHAWK) 1 30.21 (0.00)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 81 1.22 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (CCBB) 5000 33.37 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 100 1.22 (0.00)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Drop (DROP) 64696 20.51 (-0.42)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 5000 13.32 (+0.43)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 119 1.22 (0.00)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 200 1.22 (0.00)          Star Wars directed by Shawn Levy (SWAR4) 150000 161.03 (+2.73)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          Odessa Young (OYOUN) 310 1.17 (0.00)          Thunderbolts* (TBOLT) 108558 218.48 (+1.11)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 1000 36.98 (-0.42)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 150000 13.32 (+0.43)          Odessa Young (OYOUN) 310 1.17 (0.00)          The Fantastic Four: First Steps (FANF2) 150000 218.69 (-2.35)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 150000 13.32 (+0.43)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 554 36.98 (-0.42)          Tron: Ares (TRON3) 150000 129.60 (-0.66)          Don’t Let’s Go to the Dogs T (DLGDT) 20000 1.32 (+0.01)          Florian Zeller (FZELL) 99 1.11 (0.00)          Disney's Snow White (SNWHT) 100000 85.75 (-0.91)          Disney's Snow White (SNWHT) 35 85.75 (-0.91)          Florian Zeller (FZELL) 101 1.11 (0.00)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 29000 36.98 (-0.42)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          One to One: John & Yoko (OTOJY) 150000 1.15 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 2000 20.00 (0.00)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 1 13.32 (+0.43)          The Ballad of a Small Player (TBOSP) 150000 0.62 (-0.38)          Enemies (ENMES) 149999 20.00 (0.00)          A Minecraft Movie (MINEC) 376 377.10 (+4.54)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 11000 36.98 (-0.42)          Bruce Lee (BRLEE) 11000 16.96 (0.00)          The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt (LOTR5) 3250 153.12 (+0.88)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 42 36.98 (-0.42)          Black Phone 2 (BPHO2) 60 57.31 (+0.14)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Ethan Hawke (EHAWK) 1 30.21 (0.00)          The Surfer (SURFR) 150000 8.13 (-0.07)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 81 1.22 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (CCBB) 5000 33.37 (0.00)          Juliet and Romeo aka Verona's Ro (VERAJ) 150000 9.11 (-0.06)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 100 1.22 (0.00)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Drop (DROP) 64696 20.51 (-0.42)          The Last Rodeo (TLROD) 150000 5.97 (-0.08)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 5000 13.32 (+0.43)          Franz Rogowski (FROGO) 119 1.22 (0.00)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          The New Boy (TNEWB) 150000 0.67 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Friendship (FNSHP) 150000 9.03 (-0.10)          Richard Gere (RGERE) 200 1.22 (0.00)          Star Wars directed by Shawn Levy (SWAR4) 150000 161.03 (+2.73)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          Odessa Young (OYOUN) 310 1.17 (0.00)          Thunderbolts* (TBOLT) 108558 218.48 (+1.11)          Sinners (SINER) 150000 108.76 (+1.08)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 1000 36.98 (-0.42)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 150000 13.32 (+0.43)          Odessa Young (OYOUN) 310 1.17 (0.00)          The Fantastic Four: First Steps (FANF2) 150000 218.69 (-2.35)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 150000 13.32 (+0.43)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 554 36.98 (-0.42)          Tron: Ares (TRON3) 150000 129.60 (-0.66)          Don’t Let’s Go to the Dogs T (DLGDT) 20000 1.32 (+0.01)          Florian Zeller (FZELL) 99 1.11 (0.00)          Disney's Snow White (SNWHT) 100000 85.75 (-0.91)          Disney's Snow White (SNWHT) 35 85.75 (-0.91)          Florian Zeller (FZELL) 101 1.11 (0.00)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 29000 36.98 (-0.42)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)          One to One: John & Yoko (OTOJY) 150000 1.15 (-0.03)          Enemies (ENMES) 2000 20.00 (0.00)          Day Drinker (DRNKR) 1 13.32 (+0.43)          The Ballad of a Small Player (TBOSP) 150000 0.62 (-0.38)          Enemies (ENMES) 149999 20.00 (0.00)          A Minecraft Movie (MINEC) 376 377.10 (+4.54)          The Amateur (AMTUR) 11000 36.98 (-0.42)          Bruce Lee (BRLEE) 11000 16.96 (0.00)          The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt (LOTR5) 3250 153.12 (+0.88)          Enemies (ENMES) 150000 20.00 (0.00)