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This isn't one stocks moving because of news or other reasons this is just up a tick and down a tick. After taking

Posted by: Vashta Nerada (a.k.a H-Mogul) on Sep 20, 01:08 in response to HuskyMiller's post I'm gonna go with a big fat no! Let market do what the...

a 3 hour nap and watching a football game I'm still up over $13 million. If I hadn't done that I figure I  would probably be up 22-25 million today.You seem to think because I  took time off I don't make much money. :)
The point is there is relatively little skill involved. Before the changes we got stocks that  did flips but we didn't get these marathon sessions what it would flip for hours on end.

HSX is between a rock and a hard place on comm free with out it this place is a ghost town. they make a big deal on showing the math  just encase somebody is trying to manipulate a stock but they haven't put a stop to stock that flip a 100+ times? That's kind of odd. Doesn't say much about their long term strategy  of getting people to hold long term. Personally I think daytrading doesn't really change a stocks general direction of trading. It is just a short term blip.

You look at the top ten each week and you week see it is pretty much the same top 10 every week. Number 1 makes about 40 million week in and week out.
I do around 30 and that's with me taking time off on the weekends and not having access to a computer usually during the week at work.
Tell you what, I have to go to a football game next Saturday but if something doesn't come up I'll power trade the Saturday after that. We can compare our takes at the end of the day  when stocks reset at 1 am HSX. I just wish comm free extended through  Sunday as that's my real veg day, And unless the Cowboys are playing I'd just trade right through the other games.
Hey D.Mac can we change comm free  to 9 pm Saturday to 9 pm Sunday. :)
This really doesn't have any thing to do with me doing other things, I make 10 million any given Saturday with out even breaking a sweat.If I power trade I can do north of 20 million with out  breaking much of a sweat either.

No one will ever catch number one, A few people have a shot at me. But there are few even  in the top  100 that have a shot at top 10.  Even those with billion $ ports will find it  tough to crack the top 100. We know how to play and we know how to play efficiently  We don't have a lot of wasted motion in our trading.

The point being is #1, myself and other power traders this isn't even a challenge. It's just  grunt work. And unless it's a really interesting game I just play while watching football. It cuts the boredom.
Maybe HSX should experiment where instead of comm free they charge a 1/2 point or a 1/4 point at least then people would still have to think about if the trade is worth it? Commission Saturdays aren't a big deal seeing as what a pain in the butt reshorting your port is. Though it does work well for buying bonds. :) 
 Lets take TWLI2 today. If HSX changes to a 1/8 point  for commission Saturdays it would cost $29,875 to flip and a you would make $37,500  on one tick of .75 cents gives a net of $7625 which is about the same as flipping a penny stock and  since both are basically grunt work and risk free I don't see any problem with this. At least now people would have to think about  if it was worth their time. It would be different if the maga flippers were stocks that moved other then .63 and .75 but they aren't but they take about the same amount of time to trade as the pennies. And at this price this will have little impact on the start of Comm Less, stocks are still going to drop like crazy and then bounce. This isn't going to stop trading on Saturdays just as the 1% doesn't stop trading during the week. But it will require people to assess if it's worth there time at even this nominal cost. One tick trading belongs with the pennies not the $200 stocks. And 1/8 would basically level the playing field but still allowing people to make  trades and get out of expensive positions  at a nominal cost.

It's still fake money at the end of the day. So if they brought back Comm On you shouldn't  mind that either. You just like it because it's easy to make money and it's risk free. Even IPOs that are slam-dunks and move $20 have risks you could miss the reverse or take profits to soon. You are talking apples and oranges when you compare that to one tick trading.

Just my 200 cents here.

Vote yeah or nay. Can we get some kind of limit on the number of flips a stock can do in a day. Say 20. That's a nice round number. Vashta Nerada Sep 19, 21:12

I think HSX needs to get control of this. It's a crap way to make money... grory Sep 19, 22:01

I hate the idea of freezing stock!! I don't like this steady flipping either but I think that HSX staff and/or the techies should be able grammar Sep 20, 12:05

Then just hold it one way and stop worrying so much about flipping and riding it up and down. Sheesh. {nm} secretstalker Sep 20, 10:09

You do realize I'm a daytrader, don't you? I think it's genetically impossible for me to ignore movement... grory Sep 20, 10:27

Heh .. I second that. {nm} grammar Sep 20, 12:08

Rookie opinion; we are all free to trade the way it is now if there is a switch that would hurt the traders that have a decent strategy? damenchipguy Sep 20, 19:46

i actually like it at 50K cause it can really help you alot more than 20k it makes it more challenging i think {nm} Smallville944 Sep 20, 21:16

Commission-free trading HSXToby Sep 21, 10:24

If you're really headed that direction, why not take a moderated approach? Like, everyone get X free trades -- a reasonably generous number, edzep Sep 21, 10:57

I hope you don't opt to do away with commission-free entirely. I like to clean my port on Saturdays and I imagine small ports are happy to grammar Sep 21, 17:15

ach ... their not there. {nm} grammar Sep 21, 17:16

Why was the studio moviefunds cashed out? {nm} bushblos Sep 22, 16:01

I'm gonna go with a big fat no! Let market do what the market it is going to do. No one is making us participate in these swings and flips. HuskyMiller Sep 19, 22:41

10 Billion with a capital B. I'm ambivalent; I just ignore Saturday swings, except for my futile effort today. {nm} edzep Sep 19, 23:01

Yes, I meant Billion. (I'm so HSX poor I'm just used to typing million. Billion isn't even in my HSX vocabulary.) {nm} HuskyMiller Sep 19, 23:16

These are not normal swings. These are individual stocks that bounce one or two increments at a time, sometimes for hours at a time. grory Sep 19, 23:40

This isn't one stocks moving because of news or other reasons this is just up a tick and down a tick. After taking Vashta Nerada Sep 20, 01:08

i agree with you, stock flips should be allowed maybe 10-20 times per day, per port. Champ8 Sep 20, 07:00

HSX was able to control this type of flipping in the last version, they should be able to do it now, too... grory Sep 20, 09:25

Why not just do something similar to what they've done with limit orders? Perfection Sep 20, 10:46

why dont you just quit playing, then. ndmaster Sep 22, 07:56

You made a good valid point there. Limiting the number of trades per stock would be a huge disadvantage to traders that cannot sign on grammar Sep 20, 12:14

I'm all for eliminating commission-free trading, period. Or maybe change it to allow X commission-free trades on Saturdays {nm} remrej Sep 20, 08:58

Why on earth should a stock even flip that much unless there are traders manipulating it? {nm} secretstalker Sep 20, 10:08

so what if a stock flips and flops, theres no law says you have to play it. {nm} islander Sep 20, 10:08

Eliminate commish free and be done with it. {nm} Hooray360 Sep 20, 10:15

I like the way you think {nm} remrej Sep 20, 10:53

This is where I stand. Do away with commission free. {nm} SocioEvo Sep 20, 17:11

Nay {nm} icecreamman Sep 20, 10:35

Why not just do something similar to what they've done with limit orders? Perfection Sep 20, 10:47

Nay! I say let a stock flip as much as traders cause them to flip. There are bigger problems to address first. LonePirate Sep 20, 11:06

This problem is big. The person(s) who flip a stock 80+ times in two hours, can also take a stock up 20 points in a couple of hours. {nm} heybroxxx Sep 20, 15:37

How do you figure that? It flips up, then it flips down, then up, then down, etc... won't it either end up down or up? {nm} secretstalker Sep 20, 20:50

Right, except one Sat.evening or morning(PST) in late July, this person(s) took SHRK4 up 20-30 points. {nm} heybroxxx Sep 21, 15:57

That was pure manipulation. Had nothing to do with trading. I think that was probably somebody hat had a beef with HSX. {nm} Vashta Nerada Sep 21, 23:51

A 3% move is nothing even when commission is on. That barely covers commission. You have a funny idea on what a reasonable move is. Or are Vashta Nerada Sep 22, 00:47

So you support these unusual 3% or more manipulations but you are against constant fluctuations at a smaller percentage? LonePirate Sep 22, 16:34





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