HOLLYWOOD STOCK EXCHANGE
THE ENTERTAINMENT MARKET
THE ENTERTAINMENT MARKET
Isn't this what markets do?
RazorHawk, first, I am a longtime fan, currently number 34 rank in your HSX School League and have played off and on since the 1999's when we still had the Music Stock exchanges, so I hear you, and consider all your points valid. But just to take our heads out of these inner issues, back up and look at markets in general. The stock market has open and close (halts) and some traders bet that the previous day's rally will continue or fall. Look at the manipulation in the silver markets, where the price of physical rises, then big banks drop big paper only shorts on it the next morning, and take all the gains away (unless you believe some investor out there actually dumps fifty billion at a loss on the market) before the traders drive it back up again. My point is, players and investors are more savvy than when this game began. I used to (back when my initial HSX$ 2M took a hit and I needed budget plays, go sort stocks by price, and make tiny trades in the penny stocks, or try to guess the cycles on Oprah's stock which would fluctuate wildly throughout the day, or buy and sell The Hobbit at $2 a share (when the heirs still hadn't agreed to release it) and educated myself on these mini-market manipulators back then. So it goes to zero at midnight. You hold 30K shares in a stick and want it to bump, so buy 10K more. It shows early as a .03% rise and fir a moment you smile, only to come back later and find a dollar drop. The cumulative effect if smart, dumb, educated, novice, manipulators, straight purists, all interacting and being corrected eventually by actual box office numbers IS the game. Improving accuracy? It seems to be accurate in the end. Predictive? Yes, of human nature. And if you want to game the manipulators, play at 1 a.m. and make money off their ploys. My two cents worth. Best wishes! ~ pabruce
Game change proposal: time to end the halt and adjust? Sep 21, 13:07
i personally like the way game is now. best of both worlds: Sep 21, 13:16
I assume the traffic today for Saturday is quite a lot higher than it was, comparatively, before this late-halt, right? (NM) Sep 21, 13:59
+1 {nm} Sep 21, 16:57
I'm for ending halt and adjust on the stocks. we have the derivatives that halt and adjust anyway..... Sep 21, 13:32
Personally, I prefer halts and adjusts... Sep 21, 13:36
You make some good points there. But wouldn't we have constantly changing multipliers based on history... Sep 21, 14:49
to expand more, i remember the multipliers at 3 the 2.8 them 2.7. Are you saying to just change the multiplier... Sep 21, 14:58
Well...HSX could adjust it as needed...it's a hard choice to make, but I'm probably biased. Sep 21, 16:38
I'd also prefer going back to Friday halts...more fun in the game. {nm} Sep 21, 16:42
I agree with you on both accounts. I think the community will have to find a middle ground on maintaining the Sep 21, 18:27
I think it is an extremely bad idea... Sep 21, 14:56
Agree 100%! {nm} Sep 21, 15:13
I have to say i 100% agree as well. I want hsx to be more accurate, thats why if antibody says removing adjusts Sep 21, 15:38
Before going that drastic, maybe lower the adjust multiplier and try no adjust for Christmas movies. {nm} Sep 21, 15:39
You make some great points Razor {nm} Sep 21, 18:11
Negative ports and reset trading are short-term blips that don't really affect the long-term pricing of the MovieStocks. {nm} Sep 21, 15:45
Yes, but if they are annoying and don't serve the goals of the site why not get rid of them? {nm} Sep 21, 17:05
We can't nor want to control how players trade their investments. {nm} Sep 22, 10:52
+1 {nm} Sep 21, 17:00
+1. Excellent solution. {nm} Sep 21, 19:15
+1 on rolling 24-hour changes instead of daily resets {nm} Sep 22, 11:40
AGREED - 100% PERCENT {nm} Sep 21, 22:45
I really agree mostly with RazorHawk....keep the system. Tweak it..... Sep 22, 06:50
Isn't this what markets do? Sep 22, 09:03
my one objection to your post (while agreeing with most everything else you said) Sep 22, 12:52
I completely agree {nm} Sep 22, 14:24
I agree completly with Razor. Sep 22, 14:36
Answers... Sep 25, 13:26
Those are obviously negative accounts, but if they're already negative they probably are not making any trades. Sep 25, 13:43
Agreed 100% {nm} Sep 28, 20:02
Yeah Razor has some *very*good points. {nm} Oct 19, 10:13
Respectfully, how and who determines what the prices "should" be? {nm} Sep 22, 08:55
/game {nm} Sep 21, 13:47
I don't have a problem with it...I'm already thinking ahead to how I need to change my approach on weekends =P {nm} Sep 21, 13:53
If you really care above all else for OW predictions.. Sep 21, 13:57
I do have to say, years ago before the ow derivatives, the halt of the stock on friday at 9am was more exciting Sep 21, 14:41
The issue here.. Sep 21, 14:48
Very good point. Well then maybe something can be changed with the OW derivatives to compensate for that... Sep 21, 14:54
ugh meant to reply to Antibody's post. {nm} Sep 21, 14:38
I've suggested ending the halt and adjust several times already, so it will be fine with me to see it go away. {nm} Sep 21, 14:08
EDPGod! {nm} Sep 21, 15:06
ED209 {nm} Sep 21, 15:08
Keep Halt/Adjust and move it back to Friday. It's part of the game. Do not get rid of it. {nm} Sep 21, 15:08
I enjoy the halts and adjusts too... Sep 21, 15:15
What if we just halt and catch fire? {nm} Sep 21, 15:26
Thoughts inside... Sep 21, 15:30
The MovieStock value has always been delist at the 4-week box office. The adjust brings the price closer to the delist. {nm} Sep 21, 16:20
That was the intent, but the average doesn't work for movies that don't behave like the average. {nm} Sep 21, 16:24
Being that a lot of us are open to moving the adjust back to Friday as it was. The saturday traffic seems to be... Sep 21, 18:38
My two cents- the game is too easy. Oct 21, 22:12
One thing that I think would enrich the conversation is Sep 21, 15:51
Getting rid of the adjust makes the game more realistic, but less fun. I vote fun! {nm} Sep 21, 16:16
+1 {nm} Sep 21, 17:18
Pretty good idea! I can get behind that. {nm} Sep 21, 18:29
There are some good ideas coming out of the community here. {nm} Sep 21, 18:31
Didn't the .CX derivative not halt and adjust? Maybe try that out for the fall/winter? {nm} Sep 22, 09:54
Depends on what the data is trying to predict. Are you trying to predict OW or delist price? Sep 22, 10:24
How does the multiplier being off for xmas hurt HSX as a predictive tool? Sep 22, 11:39
Right, I was pointing out that a wed thanksgiving has a different multiplier than normal wednesday openings. Sep 22, 22:39
You'd need a different multiplier for each year, and you'd have less data on which to set each multiplier {nm} Sep 23, 10:38
A lurker's take Sep 23, 09:04
Would be a shame to see adjusts go, would rather that moved back to before a movie opened. {nm} Sep 28, 21:09
I'm all for it! {nm} Oct 11, 11:51
The goal of HSX may be as a predictive tool for box office but it is also mainly a game for the users. Oct 21, 17:48
Why not try this for two months ( dec-jan ) and see if we get more acurate, and after that more fun discussion {nm} Oct 21, 23:35
